What I saw in the Front Row this week

topic posted Tue, October 5, 2004 - 4:13 PM by  Edna
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So I'm new to tribe but not to belly dance, and I just wanted to share this with you from this weekend. I posted this to another community already.

I had the privilege of going to a dance competition this weekend with one of my friends; it was one of the first I had been to though not the first dance performance I had been to. There were some great dancers then there were some really scary dancers.

I have to ask everyone here the following, if your skirt is see-through would you wear an under skirt or at least Underwear?

I mean come on its common courtesy is it not? I would think it was personally.

Now I'm giving the dancer the benefit of the doubt. I will state that maybe she "didn’t" realize that you could see her "Poononi" though her skirt and every time she turned you got an eyeful of her untrimmed area. But my god wouldn’t you at least check in the mirror before going onstage? or even at home?

I am sure I am not the only one who was "scandalized" and "shocked" by the blanket lack of consideration to the people that might be watching her. Didn’t she realize that People so didn’t want to see her ass cheeks and her Crotch? I mean lord that is just nasty man. I have been taught that Belly dance should not be seen like strippers but doesn’t it make it hard to believe that when girls are still doing that shit like it's cool and totally appropriate?

I mean damn, I so didn’t need to see that. If I wanted to watch strippers I would have gone to the titty bar instead of to a dance competition.

Good lord for the love of god if your going to not wear undies in a performance at least make sure you can't see your black hair though the skirt your wearing. At the very least make sure you trim the jungle, because that shit is just scary.

No wonder we have such a hard time getting people to take belly dance seriously.

Well that’s my view from the Front Row. What's everyone else’s?
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Edna
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

    Wed, October 6, 2004 - 9:20 PM
    At my studio, that issue is addressed for the exact reasons you stated. However, around the area, I see other dancers making poor costuming choices. I can't concentrate on any dancing because of getting flashed.

    I appreciate my instructor, Isis, for her professionalism and entertainment experience. We are required to uphold high standards and to always have a "family friendly" performance.

    She always asks to see costumes before we perform for a venue she has set up. I have honestly appreciated some of her ideas and critiques.

    Tehara
  • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

    Sun, October 10, 2004 - 5:37 AM
    Wow. Scary. I don't think this problem has ever been an issue at Rakkasah. (If it has, I hadn't heard about it.) I kind of thought pretty much all dancers were instructed on the 'proper' type of costuming these days. ??
    Perhaps this particular dancer was new to the area? Maybe she forgot to pack undies in her costume bag?

    Hopefully someone took her aside after her performance, and tactfully explained the situation to her.

    So Edna, have you ever been to Rakkasah?
    • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

      Mon, October 18, 2004 - 6:22 AM
      Happens all the time around here..... *sigh*.....
      We just went to a performance where we saw way too much about way too many dancers....

      What I think happens is the dancers check their look in the mirror.... facing it directly.....standing still..... and think all is cool.

      We teach our students to have someone lay/sit on the floor near them (simulating audience perspective) while they dance and twirl around.
      If their friend gets flashed they have to try again with adjustments :)

      I think that most of the problems of flashing arise from the beginner mistake of just checking your look in the mirror without remembering that your audience will not be staring at you face level.

      However we do have a dancer around here that applies glitter to shine it up before she goes on stage. Which is good because she shows it to *everyone*……. *sigh*….. well at least it is all shiny! - LOL
      • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

        Mon, October 18, 2004 - 11:22 AM
        You have got to be kidding me, She shines it up? Shall I send her a book on "strippers are us?" good lord no wonder it's so god damn hard for bellydancer's to get away from that stereo type.

        fucking tards.

        Edna
        • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

          Wed, October 20, 2004 - 6:14 AM
          Did I mention that she has 95% of all the paying gigs in our area?
          • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

            Wed, October 20, 2004 - 6:34 AM
            Omigoodness! Why doesn't she just go do her "dream of jeannie" fusion-fantasy schtick somewhere else and leave the belly dance jobs to people who also study the professionalism, ethics and cultural aspects of the art?
            I'm not saying there isn't a place for fusion/ alternative/ interpretive belly dance ('cos I love it). I'm saying there IS a place for it- but for girls who want to "glitter their goodies", a family atmosphere restaurant or party (most common paying gigs in most areas) may not be the most appropriate environment to showcase their creative talents. Nor will it garner respect for the artform (when performed in such environments).
            I have a question Cerice, how is her dancing from a technical viewpoint?
            • goodies

              Thu, October 21, 2004 - 11:35 AM
              She is actually a good dancer.
              She has good technique, stage presence and musical interpretation.
              I would not classify her as fusion.
              She does American/Egyptian style cabaret.
              Whereas she dances in a “flirter” way than I would it is not a burlesque performance or anything.
              Basically I would have no complaint about her if she would just wear full coverage (extra points if they match the costume) granny panties :)
              I could deal with the “too friendly/flirty” aspect of her dancing if she gave less visuals :)
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            Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

            Sat, June 18, 2005 - 11:34 AM
            sounds tacky. but maybe this is why she gets booked. pervert men booking the shows, hoping for a peek!

            hopefully it was an oversight on her part. you should send her an anonymous note or the address to this thread so she can read about how other girls feel.

            not based on jealousy. no no. based on tact.
  • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

    Wed, October 20, 2004 - 11:54 AM
    Sorry ladies, but I just stumbed across this from a very reliable source... this last line is most important.

    Belly dancers in Cairo today are wearing fully-beaded, sequined and rhinestoned bras and belts. This has been the style for the last 20 years. It is very glamorous and elegant. The bead-work is hand-strung. Over the last two decades, the length and total amount of beaded fringe has gone from long and abundant to short, if any at all. While the skirts now come in a variety of lengths and widths, the style is still quite classy. Also, dancers in Cairo who wear a classical oriental costume, but wear a body stocking or netting over their midriff, no matter how much leg may be exposed. It is still illegal to dance in public with an uncovered navel.

    Not true in Turkey, however. In Istanbul it seems that the more skin that is revealed, the better. Turkish style costumes are fully beaded, like the Egyptian style. However, the belt is worn much higher, almost to the waist. The slits in the skirt go all the way up to the belt exposing a great deal of thigh. There is the illusion that the dancer can't even wear panties under the skirt and belt! (Or is it an illusion? It is a popular trend in Istanbul to go completely without panties!)
    • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

      Wed, October 20, 2004 - 3:20 PM
      Yes, they are amazingly high cut on the leg in Turkey- brings to mind the bathing suit styles of the 80s! According to dancers I know from Turkey, for most, it's an illusion- many belts have built in panties (though some may be brazilian cut or thongs).
    • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

      Mon, December 6, 2004 - 7:25 AM
      What about Dina? She's from Cairo, I believe, and doesn't follow any of those trends. I personally don't like her costumes. She shows legs, midrif, and a dangerous amount of cleavage.

      How would an audience know if these dancers are good dancers when they are focused on what may or may not get flashed next.
      • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

        Mon, December 6, 2004 - 8:26 PM
        In those venues, that IS the focus.
        • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

          Mon, December 6, 2004 - 9:13 PM
          According to someone on oriental dancer.net who has tried on Dina's costumes, Dina has panties built into her costumes.
          • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

            Sat, June 18, 2005 - 3:25 PM
            Sorry, the first thing I thought ot when I read that was weather or not they had been cleaned before your friend tried them on!

            Yes it does make practical sense. I have to admit, first time I saw the 'Live at tha Folies Bergere' DVD (BDSS) I did find myself wondering if Jilliana could wear knickers under one of her costumes as you could see a lot of lower belly and the ara beltween the low stomach and hips and there didn't seem any room for underwear there. However when I saw it live I was too far away to notice.
    • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

      Tue, January 4, 2005 - 12:50 PM
      I think this evaluation is outdated. This may have been true about 10 years ago, but it doesn't seem to hold as much water anymore. (It also seems to be written by someone who favors Egyptian dances over Turkish... Turkish beaded fringe is all hand-strung and can be very elegant too!)

      Turkish dancers are converting more to the Sim Moda Evi style costume, with the mermaid skirt-and-belt-in-one. It is true that Turkish dancers wore very revealing costumes, and some certainly still do, but the top dancers today are wearing much more modest costumes than they would have 10 years ago, such as dresses.

      And in Egypt, well, we all know what Dina and her wannabes wear. Mini skirts, anyone?

      But I agree with others here that they have panties built-in to their costumes... either that, or the panties match perfectly. Either way, it's better than none at all!
      • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

        Mon, June 27, 2005 - 9:44 AM
        "I think this evaluation is outdated."

        I agree completely. Check out dancechristina.net for a home-made video of what the dancers in Turkey were dancing to and wearing in 2004. It's nothing like the old days.

        Also, the Turks were hardly the only ones wearing revealing costumes. Heck, check out pictures of AMERICAN dancers in the 60's. How many of us NOW have to dance in pasties? :)
  • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

    Mon, January 3, 2005 - 7:20 AM
    That is an old problem that has been around for a long time. The should always be something your teacher should bring up before you ever dance in public. It is much better to see your underpants than to see more. You can get matching underwear at dance studios. There is a tight line between erotic and exotic. If the stereotype of hootchy-cootchy dancer, stripper, slut, etc is ever going to be broken, it is up to us to make sure everything is properly covered and the dance is done in a classy way.
    • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

      Tue, January 4, 2005 - 2:10 PM
      *claps her hands*

      I so agree.

      and I am one of those teachers that tells her students, "wear undies" it's actually on our checklist now, since this competition happened. lol.

      My poor intermidiate dancer who had never been to a competition before, was slightly shocked (ok more than just slightly) when she saw this performer.

      shakes head

      Mina
      dalloua.com
      • Re: What I saw in the Front Row this week

        Fri, February 11, 2005 - 9:59 PM
        It never crossed my mind to dance comando and I was kinda shocked when I first found out this actually happens. Don't they feel too breezy?

        And I'm sorry, did you say 'Glitter'? Thats one area of your body no matter how much you 'glam' it up, its still gonna be ugly.

        My teacher has seen Dina dance in Egypt and she was telling me that her and her husband were watching her show and she had on this tight ass skirt and a thong and she did a wide hip circle with her butt to the crowd and her husband said to her 'I feel like I know her very well....' LOL!! I do hear that even though some of her costumes are questionable, she's a very good dancer and worth seeing.